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RE: Supported Native Stereo

TechSupport — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:35:58 GMT

@All:

I would like to bring everyone's attention to a new post in the Rules and Guidelines section: [url]http://forums.vr920.com/Topic3567-6-1.aspx[/url].

The above post by Carl will be left intact as an example of the sort of things which will not be tolerated, and since I'm the only one being insulted this time, I can handle it.

RE: Supported Native Stereo

CarlKenner — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:25:19 GMT

[quote][b]TechSupport (11/3/2008)[/b][hr]This thread contains some really great information. Thanks to all of you who helped contribute.

Sticky![/quote]

You stupid hypocrite.

RE: Supported Native Stereo

TechSupport — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 11:32:56 GMT

This thread contains some really great information. Thanks to all of you who helped contribute.

Sticky!

RE: Supported Native Stereo

Xeno — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:10:11 GMT

[quote][b]Decoril (9/18/2008)[/b][hr]Hello people; Melanor will you kindly explain to me exactly what you do for getting at least STALKER working in stereo?
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That's +1 (me) begging... BTW, since S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Clear Sky hit the shelves, the first part goes for €10 in Germany.

RE: Supported Native Stereo

Decoril — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:16:19 GMT

Hello people; Melanor will you kindly explain to me exactly what you do for getting at least STALKER working in stereo?
I am doing what you say in this post but tohe only effect is that the visor goes to stereo mode and the right or left image only seems to show the blue colours channel in random frames but no differences above that between the two images.
Stalker would rock now in S3D.

Best regards

RE: Supported Native Stereo

melanor9 — Sun, 14 Sep 2008 16:43:48 GMT

Assassins Creed working perfectly with this settings:

Method=7, IPD_View=0.18,IPD_Menu=1.100,Manual_VSync=0,Locking=0,QueryGPU=1,LogFile=0,AutoIPD=0,ExpMax=0.11, ExpRate=0.001, ExpPoint=2.0

its like living HD dream.

RE: Supported Native Stereo

Xeno — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 03:00:08 GMT

[b]Sniper Elite [/b] works with player and some objects in stereo, bullet cam not working properly. Did a quick test only - will try to tune the cfg file after work.

Painkiller not working. No success with Thief 3 either (though it's UT engine, I think).

[b]Edit:[/b] Tried several settings in Sniper Elite and Method=1, (IPD_View=8.40,IPD_Menu=0.050,Manual_VSync=0,Locking=0,QueryGPU=1,LogFile=1,AutoIPD=1, ExpMax=0.11, ExpRate=0.001, ExpPoint=2.0) looked best to me. [b]Battlefield 1942 [/b] looks similar and headtracking in Thief 3 is now working, but still no stereo.

[b]Tron 2.0[/b] working with double crosshairs. (Method=1, IPD_View=1.40,IPD_Menu=.020,Manual_VSync=0,Locking=0,QueryGPU=1,LogFile=1,AutoIPD=0, ExpMax=0.11, ExpRate=0.001, ExpPoint=2.0)

RE: Supported Native Stereo

Centurion — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:35:38 GMT

ipd_view is thing you need to change to get good eye separation. i find 4.0 is biggest i can use.

Instead of nvidia drivers where near plane gets same pictures and far objects separated, native drivers do vice versa - near objects give biggest separation, while far - same picture. That's why you looking one monitor with two eyes, when in glasses each one got their own screen centered. So therefore using nvidia drivers isn't correct, but can be adjusted like-native, since got lots of config options

RE: Supported Native Stereo

SuperDre — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:09:38 GMT

Well, I'm planning on writing our own tool to create/manage games for use with iWear..

I'm thinking of putting all needed config settings and information in one ini file per game.. and from that the tool will be able to do everything (or at least tries) that's needed, almost the same as iWearmonitor does when you add a game to the supported list.. but because all information is stored in 1 ini file per game you just need to put the ini file into a folder where the tool is looking for it's settings and you have another game added.. this way you can ofcourse swap ini files anyway you like.. the tool will ofcourse have some sort of editing mode which lets you create new settings.. Also if there are other files needed there will be a need for a subdirectory..

It will be created in VisualBasic6 (for now)..

Since vuzix isn't telling/responding to anything these days I wonder what they are up to on the part on extending the support of their vizor, like what they are doing with the iWearMonitor etc.. So I would hope they will at least give a sign of life.. hehe..

RE: Supported Native Stereo

cybereality — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:55:58 GMT

I don't think anybody was being misleading. The games listed here are games that are natively supported by the Vuzix-stereo driver (as opposed to the generic nvidia 3d driver). Not which games natively support the VR920. Each of the games on the official supported list were added specifically by Vuzix so that is considered native support. Other games based on the same engines may work, but only using the iWear Monitor of course. There are no commercial games that I know of that support the VR920 built-in. You always need drivers of some sort. That goes for just about any product on the market, so I'm not sure how thats relevant. Obviously it would be best if game developers would code support for all this stuff, but you can't really fault Vuzix for that.

RE: Supported Native Stereo

Daddo — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 13:11:29 GMT

This is certainly an interesting thread, but unfortunately it title is very misleading, likely due to a popular misconception of what "Native Support" is.

Native Support is where code to enable use with an iWear VR920 is written directly into the application. In this style of implementation the program's author has direct control over all aspects of the stereoscopic display and head-tracking, specific to the needs of their program and what they wish to accomplish.

What is being discussed here is support enabled through our iWearMonitor. This is "after the fact" enablement through iWearMonitor Extensions that hook into applications using a variety of method and resulting in a range of quality implementations. Some are nearly as good as true native mode support while others are less so. In general, this does not provide the same level of quality and flexibility as true Native mode Support.

Applications containing Native Mode Support do not require the presence of the iWearMonitor nor any hooks into the program. You simply run the application and your iWear VR920 works. The choice of automatically enabling support for the iWear Vr920 or requiring a user to enable that support through options settings selection is up to the application's author. Most tend to sense the iWear's presence and automatically enable its support features.

Vuzix actively encourages developers to include Native Mode Support, as that provides the best results. Where that is not happening or happening fast enough for our iWear customers, we try to add support through an iWearMonitor Extension. [b]If you, the user, want to see more titles coming out with true and superior Native Mode Support, you have to let the authors of your programs know that that is what you want.[/b]

RE: Supported Native Stereo

melanor9 — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:41:23 GMT

Everquest2 works:
Method=6, IPD_View=1.40,IPD_Menu=1.000,Manual_VSync=0,Locking=0,QueryGPU=1,LogFile=0,AutoIPD=0, ExpMax=0.11, ExpRate=0.001, ExpPoint=2.0

Mass Effect works:
Method=7, IPD_View=0.90,IPD_Menu=1.100,Manual_VSync=0,Locking=0,QueryGPU=1,LogFile=0,AutoIPD=0,ExpMax=0.11, ExpRate=0.001, ExpPoint=2.0

S.T.A.L.K.E.R. works:
Method=6, IPD_View=1.40,IPD_Menu=.020,Manual_VSync=0,Locking=0,QueryGPU=1,LogFile=0,AutoIPD=0, ExpMax=0.11, ExpRate=0.001, ExpPoint=2.0

AND ITS AWESOME.

Now, can someone give me a hint , why punkbuster dislikes teh googles. Thats a real showstopper now.

RE: Supported Native Stereo

cybereality — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:26:32 GMT

I got GRID (demo) to work using the DiRT config file. However only the cars and other moving objects are in 3D. The background is in 2D. Still looks good.

I tried setting everything to low, that didn't help. It must be some post-process pass thats mucking up the stereo.

Also, I tried to get UT3 to work. Tried a bunch of different configs and some random edits, no dice. Might try again tomorrow.

RE: Supported Native Stereo

kapi — Sun, 11 May 2008 16:36:28 GMT

copy d3d9.dll and or d3d8.dll and vr920Dx9Stereo.cfg in the directx game root folder, cod4 is officially supported ....depending games some work some not or need tweaks in vr92dx9stereo.cfg. Exemple unigine sanctuary 3d engine demo (http://unigine.com/download/):
paste this.

Method=3, IPD_View=0.010,IPD_Menu=0.010,Manual_VSync=0,Locking=0,QueryGPU=1,LogFile=1,AutoIPD=1, ExpMax=0.81, ExpRate=0.015, ExpPoint=0.80

in VR920Dx9Stereo.cfg, run demo in full screen 1024x768, type F8 and you should see 3D.

RE: Supported Native Stereo

Ruhrmetall — Sat, 10 May 2008 13:14:05 GMT

I would like to test some games for unofficial support but I am not sure what the process is.

What i tried is:

1. "Browse for target" for COD4 to the folder of a different game where all the .dlls are in.
2. Start the game
3. Press Ctrl-F8 in the game

Should i see a change now? Till now nothing ever happened.

Thanx in Advance

RE: Supported Native Stereo

kapi — Wed, 07 May 2008 14:05:40 GMT

May be here or it will be cool a sticky topic like this. post what you found here it's a start ;)

RE: Supported Native Stereo

Kyoku57 — Wed, 07 May 2008 03:45:21 GMT

And if we find a good configuration with this file and a game, in which post can we put it ? (in order to give it to others ?)

RE: Supported Native Stereo

kapi — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:05:51 GMT

copy d3d9/8.dll from vuzix d3dproxydriver folder to trackmania root folder (and VR920Dx9Stereo.cfg from a vuzix game folder, try all) , ingame type ctrl+F8 , tweak VR920Dx9stereo.cfg file, but we don't know for now what parameters mean in cfg file so it's long to have something correct cause tweaks doesn't work in real time, for now i didn't manage something excellent like in halflife, but i think it's possible. You can try every D3D games like this, some could works, report here if you manage some, even if it doesn't work.

RE: Supported Native Stereo

Fundream — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 01:12:25 GMT

You say trackmania work with some tweaks. Can you explain what you do please ?

Thanks

RE: Supported Native Stereo

cybereality — Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:25:05 GMT

[quote][b]CarlKenner (4/18/2008)[/b][hr]Don't install a 64 bit OS if you want to do anything strange (like 3D).[/quote]

What's you opinion on Vista 32-bit for stereo 3d (or other strange stuff as you put it). Would I be better off just sticking with XP?

RE: Supported Native Stereo

cybereality — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 08:40:59 GMT

@Hill: Yes, we are discussing the "Vuzix Stereo Driver" or VR920 native stereo. While the nvidia driver works on many more games, its restricted to nvidia cards with limited support in Vista. The Vuzix stereo works on any video card in both XP and Vista for about 30+ games. In addition, the quality of the stereo 3d image surpasses what I have seen with anything using the nvidia 3d driver.

RE: Supported Native Stereo

Hill — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:33:29 GMT

@cybereality,

when you reffering "native 3D driver" do you mean Vuzix's Stereo 3D driver or NVidia driver ? I assume Vuzix's driver is better ATM ?

thanks, Hill.

RE: Supported Native Stereo

CarlKenner — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 17:03:42 GMT

Don't install a 64 bit OS if you want to do anything strange (like 3D).

RE: Supported Native Stereo

kapi — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 05:01:43 GMT

So bad i removed my Ultimate 64 last week cause suxx too mutch for gaming, cloned and backuped in case, i've no hope for this pseudo OS, but excellent OS for Word or Excel :D, i hope it will desappear like it appear. Concerning driver i think it could work cause it's not a driver for stereo just a dll, now if you mean vr920 driver i don't think it was created for 64 bit os, but i didn't try so i can't tell. My windows 2003 sever workstation tweaked start two time faster than my V64U with alot of softwares and games installed, instead of vista that had only some games on, it took a lot to shutdown too, and a lot of boring bugs here and theire,on gaming use it's a shame, cause crysis is slow, with pydon's tweak DX9 it look better on XP than on Vista DX10 with better frame rate on XP/2003, so, that is why i removed Vista , i don't need an unfinished OS. The only support you could find on Nvidia 3d Stereo will be for Zalman 3d monitor only, i don't think they will make a driver that will support others hardware (may be they plan to acquire Zalman ? :w00t: ). Don't waste your time with Vista, or just try and you will see.... it's really ... hummm . hummm for Dumb Blonde loooooooooooool.

PS : I found definition for Vista on the web :p
Windows VISTA : Virus, Infections, Spyware, Trojans, Adware.

RE: Supported Native Stereo

cybereality — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 04:32:00 GMT

@kapi: For sure Crysis needs a monster rig just to play at all, I'm not expecting any wonders in 3d. But like I said, I'm building a new rig so I think I should be fine. One question though, does any of this work in Vista 64-bit? I'm still up in the air about installing Vista (x64) and the main reason was how the nvidia driver (previously) didn't support 3d in Vista. Now that it looks like Vista is gaining some support I'd like to make the jump, but will I still be able to use all the functionality of the VR920? Thanks.

RE: Supported Native Stereo

kapi — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 03:55:17 GMT

I agree Nvidia Suxx , but with crysis you need a really big computer, with mine i play with vr920 800x600 some details not all (i use pydon's optimisations too) i loose sometimes 3d synchro, the effect is boring, i need a better computer to have no 3d desynch, or may be there is a problem somewhere in the driver.

RE: Supported Native Stereo

cybereality — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:15:50 GMT

I'd just like to say that I've verified Counter-Strike: Source and Dystopia and they both work great on XP w/ a 6800 GT. This is the first time I've got to see the native stereo and its a huge difference. I can't believe what crap the nvidia 3d driver was all this time. With the native 3d there weren't any issues with text or 2d HUD elements. I didn't see any conflicts with full-screen post-processing effects either. Not only that, but the 3d image appeared to have a wider range of depth which made the environments seem bigger. Frame rates also seemed faster, but I will have to do some benchmarks to be sure. Overall, a huge improvement over the old nvidia stereo drivers.

I can't wait to finish my new rig now! 3D Crysis, here I come!!!

RE: Supported Native Stereo

kapi — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:29:32 GMT

Yeah Crysis work but it's official, if you have some games tested working or not post them here it would be cool to see what is working or not.

RE: Supported Native Stereo

cybereality — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 19:09:35 GMT

Sweet, thats not a bad list there. And Crysis works!

I've been holding off on upgrading my rig until nvidia supported stereo on the latest drivers. Looks like thats not even necessary anymore with the growing list of natively support games.

RE: Supported Native Stereo

kapi — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:49:20 GMT

Thank's but we need doc about these i hope next release will explain a little bit with a nice panel :cool:

RE: Supported Native Stereo

CarlKenner — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:32:12 GMT

Maybe IPD stands for "InterPupilary distance"? That would be the distance between your eyes, in other words it would control separation.

Query GPU sounds like one of the steps in the stereoscopic SDK to tell when the call to Present has actually finished rendering, so it can wait until then to call SetLR. I'm guessing you can choose to turn it on or off. That is just a guess.

Supported Native Stereo

kapi — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:30:23 GMT

Ok didn't find a topic list for games that unnoficialy working with native Vuzix Stereo Drivers.
I'm on testing on my game list to copy d3d9/8.dll and VR920Dx9Stereo.cfg (need tweak for somes)

I found working for now :

Guild Wars , work but need tweaks on the VR920Dx9Stereo.cfg file, you can start with Call of duty4 file is working a little.
Frontline Fuel Of War (and may be Unreal 3 and Bioshock, Unreal3 engine games could too i don't know all games on this engine) used COD4 config file too.
MotoGP07 (it seem to have something but need tweaks).
Trackmania/Nation/United/Forever (need VR920Dx9Stereo.cfg tweaks too).
Flatout2
3DMarks Demos
Unigine Sanctuary (http://unigine.com/download/)

Not working :

Race 07.
BF2142 (crash when loading map even with stereo off, it seems dll file problem).
Test Drive Unlimited (crash at start, and send a crash dump file)

Officials working :
FSX
rFactor
GTR-2
GT-Legends
Lock On
IL2 Sturmovik
Pacific Fighters
IL2 Sturmovik 1946
Aces High II
Microsoft Combat Flight Sim:3
Call of Duty 4
Crysis
Unreal Tournament 2004
Dystopia
Insurgency: Modern Infantry Combat
Hidden
Roller Coaster Tycoon 3
The Elder Scrolls IV:OBLIVION
The Ship Single Player
The Ship
The Ship Tutorial
Dark Messiah: Might and Magic
SourceForts
Hypercube
Collin Mc Rae Dirt.
Half-Life 2: DeathMatch
Half-Life 2: Single Player
Half-Life 2: Episode One
Half-Life 2: Episode Two
Counter-Strike: Source
Portal
Garry's Mod

It seems Opengl support doesn't work for now but i didn't try a Dx-->OGl wrapper may be it could work.

Someone could explain settings in the VR920Dx9Stereo.cfg file ?
Method=,
IPD_View=
IPD_Menu=
Manual_VSync=
Locking=
QueryGPU=
LogFile=
AutoIPD=
ExpMax=
ExpRate=
ExpPoint=

If a dev could make a little interface that wrote file it would be cool ;)
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